Extended License Changes - Part 2

Stammi said

Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

I still get emails with the same questions and the same offers to sell a custom license (same price but more detailed license explanation). Dear staff, you promised…

Stammi said

Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

Admin templates weren’t purposefully ignored. They fall into the same category as everything else. They are at the top of the ‘chain’, meaning they couldn’t be used within someone elses template without permission from the author.

LanceSnider said

Stammi said

Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

Admin templates weren’t purposefully ignored. They fall into the same category as everything else. They are at the top of the ‘chain’, meaning they couldn’t be used within someone elses template without permission from the author.

But the main question is the number of applications. It’s a backend, # of applications should be bigger as for me

Kopyov said

LanceSnider said

Stammi said

Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

Admin templates weren’t purposefully ignored. They fall into the same category as everything else. They are at the top of the ‘chain’, meaning they couldn’t be used within someone elses template without permission from the author.

But the main question is the number of applications. It’s a backend, # of applications should be bigger as for me

I’m sorry, I may not be understanding fully. Can you give me an example?

LanceSnider said

Kopyov said

LanceSnider said

Stammi said

Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

Admin templates weren’t purposefully ignored. They fall into the same category as everything else. They are at the top of the ‘chain’, meaning they couldn’t be used within someone elses template without permission from the author.

But the main question is the number of applications. It’s a backend, # of applications should be bigger as for me

I’m sorry, I may not be understanding fully. Can you give me an example?

Sorry Lance for misunderstanding.

The first line in extended license terms:

Your use of the Work is limited to a single application.

I got so many questions about this, like “We want to use an admin theme in 2 applications, which have the same database, but different domains (servers, designs, CMS etc.). Do we need to buy 2 extended licenses?” I even tried to contact support with the same question, but the answer was “We can’t provide you more detailed information, contact your local lawer or something like that”. So my reply to the buyer was “I DON ”T KNOW , marketplace support can’t help me with this issue”. I understand when WP theme is limited to 1 website, but backend stuff is different – different software types, versions, domains, online/offline, web/standalone applications, free/paid apps etc. And i can’t find any detailed information, even support can’t help. So what information should we provide to the buyers?

What’s the point of these changes when it still confuses people? You need to have licences written in simple plain English, then you can have all the legal jargon behind the scenes.

Feel as if you need to be a lawyer to understand them

To me it seems you should only need about an 8th grade education to understand them. I would imagine anyone who can code something can also understand these rules. How much more simplification do they need?

Maybe I am forgetting that many authors don’t speak English as a main language.

guitarjock said
To me it seems you should only need about an 8th grade education to understand them. I would imagine anyone who can code something can also understand these rules. How much more simplification do they need?

So what you are saying… CodingJack has 8th grade education? .

You are missing the point we can already see the loop holes as developers on each market with the Extended License…but i think everyone is trying their best here, there is really no winwin situation here with this issue …..

Kopyov said

LanceSnider said

Kopyov said

LanceSnider said

Stammi said

Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

Admin templates weren’t purposefully ignored. They fall into the same category as everything else. They are at the top of the ‘chain’, meaning they couldn’t be used within someone elses template without permission from the author.

But the main question is the number of applications. It’s a backend, # of applications should be bigger as for me

I’m sorry, I may not be understanding fully. Can you give me an example?

Sorry Lance for misunderstanding.

The first line in extended license terms:

Your use of the Work is limited to a single application.

I got so many questions about this, like “We want to use an admin theme in 2 applications, which have the same database, but different domains (servers, designs, CMS etc.). Do we need to buy 2 extended licenses?” I even tried to contact support with the same question, but the answer was “We can’t provide you more detailed information, contact your local lawer or something like that”. So my reply to the buyer was “I DON ”T KNOW , marketplace support can’t help me with this issue”. I understand when WP theme is limited to 1 website, but backend stuff is different – different software types, versions, domains, online/offline, web/standalone applications, free/paid apps etc. And i can’t find any detailed information, even support can’t help. So what information should we provide to the buyers?

To be honest, I’m not sure. I’ll ask Chaman, the company lawyer.

By the way, sorry they’re still confusing. We’ll be working on simplifying them in the coming months.

PS – let’s be sure to be nice and respectful of our fellow users.