Hi,Sky! this what you described is a situation that happened to a lot of people.

that is why some of us were talking about old-never-sold files to be removed, otherway buyer cannot find what he wants. buyers check mostly top sellers, and recent uploads (OR his own familiar authors, mates, or compatriots) since Aj library is way too big. and this is not my assumption, this is a word from few buyers from my country.

SkyProductions said
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Oh dear, one of the more hilarious posts I’ve read in recent times at Audiojungle. Time for some tough love. Also, I’m not sure why you needed to be so hostile towards brownhousemedia (even if it was unintentional, that’s how it comes across).

You got in at the right time to where AJ was marketing like crazy but they only had a handful of composers, so you guys from 2008 and 2009 got way lucky from AJ’s hard work.

Ah yes, like all the other authors who got lucky because they were here on AJ in 2008 / 2009. Skyproductions, have a look at the authors list and see how many authors you’ve already passed that were here long before you. I don’t think they’re ‘benefitting’. For every author that joined early, there are 5 more that struggled. Those guys who ‘benefitted’ early, did so because they also had good music, or music appropriate for this marketplace.

Now AJ has blown up in a good way and you top authors go to the top of search every time because you already have established buys

they only got where they are because they had a track featured that was corporate, and it snowballed. Very lucky and not something the average AJ author should expect.

Right…............

To put it very bluntly, the average Audiojungle author should not even expect to have their work featured, if it is average. Envato don’t get it right every time with the featured file, but they have also hit quite a few home runs with their selections.

Also, to use pinkzebra as an example, quite a few of his best selling tracks are not corporate, so that is just a useless argument. Yes he’s had featured work, but he also hasn’t had much of his other stuff featured.

To use myself as an example, my corporate tracks don’t sell (and there are hardly any in my portfolio), my featured tracks have never sold spectacularly, and I’ve never had a track in the Top Sellers list, yet I still sell a solid 80-130 files a month, and I put in no effort whatsoever on the marketing side and I don’t upload regularly at all anymore! That might not be what the very top authors are doing, but I’m certainly ticking over considering I do almost absolutely nothing to market my files whatsoever. I’ve been selling since Oct 2010, and things are going pretty solidly.

To use Tim McMorris as an example – Tim has had featured files for sure, but he also works exceptionally hard outside the marketplace to promote his work. He’s also worked hard to connect with Videohive authors, and that’s what has kept his files in the Top Sellers (he wrote this himself somewhere on a different forum post)./

Finally, why is it a bad thing for an author to have their track snowball?

I can’t help but feel that if you had a track snowball, you wouldn’t be writing this.

Envato have a decent track record of picking featured tracks, and that makes money for them as well as the authors. All of the music gets listened to by reviewers, and they are the ones that ultimately help tracks get nominated for featured files. So if you want a track to be featured, I suggest you go and write something that has a bit of aural and compositional panache, and perhaps improve your production values so that the music catches their ears a bit better.

I just scored a trailer for “Broken City” and have list of credits with other exclusive libraries/publishers so I can hold my own.

Good for you! If you’re doing custom work for clients, then clearly you know how to tailor your work to a specific marketplace. The same is required here at Audiojungle, as it’s a certain kind of person (generally) that uses this marketplace. It’s not ideal, but the authors who have embraced this are generally the ones that are being successful.

There are lots of authors here who have incredible client lists – but having an incredible client list does not make a successful stock audio author.

Customers just buy the most popular item because the majority of AJ’s material is sub-par, and buyers don’t want to spend all that time going through bad music to get to the one good track.

I agree, there’s a lot of crappy material here, there’s even some crappy material that has made the Top Sellers list which I raise my eyebrows at. But you can either continue to look at the situation and do nothing about it. Or you can embrace it for what it is and just get on with it.

There is also a great deal of soulless composing going on here. A lot of composers just pressing their one key on their loop/sample libraries in Stylus RMX , 8Dio Guitars, and oneshot stingers from Symphobia and calling it ‘original’ music. It’s actually quite easy to recognise that stuff after a while as a buyer. A lot of the music that sells well here has some kind of feeling that these tracks do not.

So yes, AJ has a large amount of subpar music, but so what, most music libraries do. Even the biggest boutique library companies don’t have hits on all their albums they release.

Anyhow, I digress.

From all of this, one of the main things that isn’t necessary, is for you to throw slants at Brownhousemedia saying that the only reason he is successful is because he got here early. And even so, why is that a bad thing? He should be praised for seeing a good opportunity and running with it. It’s good business practice.

You are always welcome to set up your own stock music network – which is exactly what Envato did all those years ago. Then you’d be the first author there and you’d be the one benefitting from all the early work…..

garethcoker said

SkyProductions said
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Oh dear, one of the more hilarious posts I’ve read in recent times at Audiojungle.

You sure are not reading my post right. I’d rather not respond to your unexplained hostility.

Ok SkyProductions, if we are going to have a debate – lets make sure you are using the correct facts:

1. When I joined in 2009 there were way more than 5000 tracks – if I am not mistaken it was somewhere between 15000 and 20000 items. I am not sure how many authors there were but it was more than just “a handful”

2.

Now AJ has blown up in a good way and you top authors go to the top of search every time because you already have established buys.

Lets look at that: #2 best selling author Tim McMorris had his first upload on 12 August 10 (not 2008 or 2009)

8 best selling author pinkzebra had their first upload 26 March 11

(not 2008 or 2009)

11 best selling author metrolightmusic had their first upload 22

September 10 (not 2008 or 2009)

18 best selling author thesecession had their first upload 16 June 11

(not 2008 or 2009)

There might be more in the top 20 but these authors make up 20% of the top authors. based on this it looks to me like AudioJungle provides authors with the chance for upward mobility.

You got 250+ sales in July Brown with out uploading anything? Congrats I think I got around 50 while uploading almost everyday. Do you know why you got more sales? Its not because you have better music, even though you might think it is. I just scored a trailer for “Broken City” and have list of credits with other exclusive libraries/publishers so I can hold my own.

I am not sure where in my previous post I claimed to have better music- can you point that out to me? – congratulations on scoring a trailer – but don’t accuse me of something I didn’t say.

Now a bunch of top 20 authors are about to come in this thread a defend themselves giving examples that people like PinkZebra, Sweetwaveaudio, and Music Premium just joined recently and have had great sales. Now while they have great corporate/inspirational music, they only got where they are because they had a track featured that was corporate, and it snowballed. Very lucky and not something the average AJ author should expect.

Ok lets look at some of their numbers: Pink Zebra – #1 selling track 483 sales, #2 selling track 259 sales, #3 selling track 217 sales, #4 selling track 214 sales, #5 selling track 156 sales

I didn’t look up MusicPremium and Sweetwaveaudio because they are not in the top 20 I used as an example above.

I am also not sure why it is a bad thing for an author to have a track snowball??

I only threw in the front page exposure comment because it often comes up in the forums and you are correct – you did not mention that.

SkyProductions said
You sure are not reading my post right. I’d rather not respond to your unexplained hostility.

Given the length of my post, I didn’t want to take up more screen space than necessary. The points I made are perfectly valid, and you sincerely need a wake-up call.

More hostility Gareth? I would hold back if I were you, it makes your argument look weaker. Please keep it civil and professional at least.

Also I have received 20 e-mails this afternoon from people on AJ who feel the same way but who are too scared to say anything. I would appreciate it if those people would kindly reply, and state your opinion. Don’t just leave it to the top authors. I have nothing against the top authors personally, they have GREAT music but so do a lot of other composers here.

And Brown, I understand. However you are incorrect on a few points in 2009 AJ had less than 5000 tracks.

But I would like to point out that it “is” a good thing for the composer to snowball and I never said it wasn’t. However the fact that that is the ONLY way to get decent sales on AJ is NOT a good thing.

SkyProductions said
More hostility Gareth? I would hold back if I were you, it makes your argument look weaker. Please keep it civil and professional at least.

For the sake of the conversation though, it would be very interesting if you replied at least to some of his points and arguments.

It is what it is. I don’t think it’s more or less hostile than your original post towards brownhousemedia.

But let’s gloss over all that a second, and focus on this:

But I would like to point out that it “is” a good thing for the composer to snowball and I never said it wasn’t. However the fact that that is the ONLY way to decent sales on AJ is NOT a good thing.

There are plenty of authors who don’t have a bunch of tracks that have snowballed that have successful portfolios.

SkyProductions

My first upload was 30 January 10, and there were 12,977 items. http://web.archive.org/web/20100104015609/http://audiojungle.net/

There might have been 5000 items in 2009 but I was not uploading then.

But I would like to point out that it “is” a good thing for the composer to snowball and I never said it wasn’t. However the fact that that is the ONLY way to get decent sales on AJ is NOT a good thing.

I have shown several members who have consistent sales without ever having a “hit” so to call it the ONLY way is not accurate. It is one way.

brownhousemedia said
SkyProductions I have shown several members who have consistent sales without ever having a “hit” so to call it the ONLY way is not accurate. It is one way.

Your right actually Brown, it is one way for sure. And I agree its not the only way. But from what I’ve seen since being here for 9 month, it is.

And Alkis, there is no way I would address Gareth’s points. A lot of his points are not relevant to my post. Its as if he didn’t even read my post. Coupled with the fact that his civility could use some work. I choose not to address.

Keep it friendly and we can have a discussion Gareth.