We authors have reason for excitement!! YAYYY!!! For real, this is awesome.

Yeah, right, so the creativity bone worked only with Flash. Give me a break, guys!

wickedpixel said
Yeah, right, so the creativity bone worked only with Flash. Give me a break, guys!

I said “don’t mix this with flash”. Uhmmm… grrr… you like controversy…

@Ben. I’ll never say anything good about Steve Jobs. Same for Steven Segal. But i’ve really great words about Bob Sponge, if someone wants to listen.

EDIT : Forgot. I also love him

flashedge said
I agree. I had way more fun developing flash back in the days. Now have to debug stupid javascripts and stylesheets, meh…

Don’t misunderstand me, honestly the web can’t be replaced with Flash as it is not the technology that intended to cover entire part of web development. In my openion, using “Only Flash” is a luxury path and going with other technology (to be equivalent: of cource JS) is actually a tougher task when it comes to both creativity and productivity. Don’t be a cry baby to always trying go with luxury couch!

I mean look at how the remaining (>90%) of web development done as of today. We are enjoying the outcome of so many javascript, browser testing, optimisations done by “dull” web developers and hesitating to take the burden!

To Aw: Don’t be lazy and call again and again “love towards Flash keeps me not to touch other technologies”. (Atleast when you don’t have money to pay bills )

Loving something doesn’t mean you always need to use it or hesitate to use other things!

So many deja vus

VF said

In my openion, using “Only Flash” is a luxury

Now that statement should be frame .that was always like that before AD and after AD, ordinary clients should stick to affordable tec` ,a complete flash solution need attention from pro`s and that’s costly

tsafi said

VF said

In my openion, using “Only Flash” is a luxury

Now that statement should be frame .that was always like that before AD and after AD, ordinary clients should stick to affordable tec` ,a complete flash solution need attention from pro`s and that’s costly

+1

Flash always was luxury. I remember the days when coca cola, nike, Adidas used to make their site jaw dropping by using flash.

Normal people could not afford it. Its too bad that web is going back to static again. People are sacrificing a lot of creativity to make things compatible for every device.

Aw_Shucks said
And, that’s exactly what I thought. I thought that all the authors here are driven by money, before the love of any technology, even though their past claims were that they were all about a certain technology. Heh, the irony. And then in that case, if you are going to make more money following a trend, then perhaps you have no reason to hate the person who stepped down as CEO of Apple.

Making a living is a little different than being insanely rich and having the power to try and kill an entire web technology

I agree with Wicked, you can still be creative with JS and HTML . However, I also agree with FlashEdge. Because Flash is cross-browser compatible, the focus stays creative throughout the project. But for almost everything I build with non-Flash, a tremendous amount of time is spent testing browsers. And there’s really nothing creative about that

Aw c’mon guys. It’s about the money, right? Apple just paved the road to your guys’ wealth. Sure you may need to debug 30+ different browsers just to see if it works with 1 or 2, but you get paid 25 times more now that you’re with ThemeForest. You should be extatic about this opportunity. The good thing is that … envato is still providing you with the opportunity. And I might have accidentally said I “love” flash. But soon after I said that years ago, I realized what I really meant was that I enjoyed working with it. There’s a difference. But as I see it, anyone who has the talent to develop and design great projects with flash is only abandoning it for an easy street to “making a living”, so to speak. Imagine if everyone who was good at flash and enjoyed it as much as they said they did, stuck with it, flash might still be going strong. I have no more need for flash though, and it has less need for me. So I have a good reason for no longer using it. Right? You guys just plain out abandoned it, blaming poor Steve Jobs for your misfortune claiming, “Flash is Dead and it’s all his fault, Whaaaahhh”. It’s just funny.

I mean, there’s still a great market for flash out there. You just need to apply your great talents to something other than an incredibly EASY path of stock marketplace sales. So, unless you see that, then I suppose your reasons for claiming that flash is dead, or no longer worth while, are correct, but only in your case.

I still have faith in flash, because there is no real need for any willing and able coder to abandon it. However, I really can’t see myself doing this for much longer. And it has nothing to do with what you’re referring to as, “deja vu”. I’ve been working with flash for 6 years and I’ve literally hit a dead end with coding. I can no longer progress with it. A stagnant cycle of repetitious coding patterns that resulted in almost all of my newest files for the past year turning out practically identical. And that’s my reason for turning away and heading in a different direction that is more suited to me. Wouldn’t you say that’s an understandable reason to move on?

You know something, developers are quite less than consumers. Consumers buy software/hardware. Consumers don’t care about flash or html5, they just want to go with the flow and consume.

So if someone says, look, this technology can run on your mobile device, and every consumer has a mobile/smartphone device then they will go along.

Thing is I don’t see Adobe doing anything about it. It just seems flash will only exist for huge – expensive projects/sites for big companies. Low – midle end consumers will just go with simpler stuff.

Yup, and that’s where the market is. There’s no strategy like giving consumers something to desire. Once they see something they like, they’ll flow, gradually creating a current of demand for which the product is supplied. If you keep your mind on that then there’s no telling how flash will fair in the future. It might even progress in such a way that those who seek its uses benefit much more than we’re used to seeing here on these marketplaces. I say, if you’ve got the talent and drive, then you’ve got the means to make a real living developing flash websites for companies that utilize its potential the way it is meant to be used.

Anyone can admit that selling flash on these marketplaces is just an opportunity for fast, easy cash. There’s no other way to go about looking at it. So what if people are buying more HTML , who’s not to say that the ease of access for templates at incredibly low prices isn’t eventually going to come to a halt in much the same way? The market for flash lies where the companies who understand the value of getting what they pay for are. See what I’m saying?

Aw_Shucks said
Yup, and that’s where the market is. There’s no strategy like giving consumers something to desire. Once they see something they like, they’ll flow, gradually creating a current of demand for which the product is supplied. If you keep your mind on that then there’s no telling how flash will fair in the future. It might even progress in such a way that those who seek its uses benefit much more than we’re used to seeing here on these marketplaces. I say, if you’ve got the talent and drive, then you’ve got the means to make a real living developing flash websites for companies that utilize its potential the way it is meant to be used. Anyone can admit that selling flash on these marketplaces is just an opportunity for fast, easy cash. There’s no other way to go about looking at it. The market for flash lies where the companies who understand the value of getting what they pay for are. See what I’m saying?

Exactly but:

Aw_Shucks said
So what if people are buying more HTML , who’s not to say that the ease of access for templates at incredibly low prices isn’t eventually going to come to a halt in much the same way?

It will not because HTML is a web standard. Flash is more like an addition.

The coolest thing would be if Flash and HTML could be merged somehow. Like giving the possibility to export flash projects as HTML5 , but I don’t see it happening, ever Then everyone would be happy.